Rebecca and the ‘rescue breaths’ – page 3 anoxic tank

It is mentioned in search warrant 41290 that dr. Peterson spoke with det. Adkins during a follow up of the detectives investigation. An assault, murder nor CPR are mentioned by either det. Adkins or dr. Peterson. The doctor expressed concerns that suffocation may have occurred prior to max’s fall. The doctor did not use the words intentional suffocation, but by the some of the items det. Adkins intended to look for could lead one to believe he was looking for items that could be used to strangle or suffocate a person. Example, belts, ropes, electrical cords, etc. According to the list of inventory, it is important to note that none of the example items were found and taken from the home as evidence.Anoxic tank


Detective adkins also requested the warrant to be sealed. The search warrant was not requested until days after RZ’s death. In my opinion, it makes one wonder who det. Adkins considered a perpetrator and who the detective was concerned may destroy evidence? RZ was already deceased. And again, there is no mention or concern whether RZ did or did not give CPR/rescue breaths by either the detective or the doctor.

Http://ftpcontent.Worldnow.Com/kfmb/…Rant_41290.Pdf

I believe the search warrant was sealed because the ME had not finished his report. JS would have received a copy of the search warrant whether sealed or not.

The doctor expressed concerns about descriptions of the incident. Surely you do not believe he thought max suffocated himself?Anoxic tank

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During the follow–during my follow-up investigation with dr. Brad peterson, head of the ICU trauma, he informed me that over the course of four days of medical testing, no determination could be made on the cause of cardiac arrest suffered by shacknai.

Based on the description of the incident, surrounding shacknai’s fall, dr. Peterson did not feel the visible injuries were consistent with the cardiac arrest and brain swelling experienced by shacknai. Dr. Peterson expressed concerns made based on the –the above factors, suffocation may have occurred prior to shacknai’s fall.

JMO

This thread was created to discuss the CPR story/theories. What I find interesting is dina’s focus on whether or not RZ gave max CPR.Anoxic tank I understand what lies beneath her focus is the theory that RZ lied. RZ did not lie to the responding officers as it was stated in the EMS no CPR was given prior to arrival. Where the story of CPR begins after the EMS report is basically unknown except for what nina has told us. However, if there was a lie, it did not influence the care max received. Max did not die because CPR was not administered prior to the arrival of EMS. In my opinion, the whole CPR story is only being used to support theories that RZ was a liar. Until and if ever jonah speaks, we do not know what RZ actually said to jonah. It is quite possible it was a mistake in words by jonah or a lie put forth by jonah. It is unfortunate RZ is being fingered as a liar when so little information available to us.Anoxic tank in my opinion, jonah’s credibility is just as questionable. Yet it appears jonah gets a free pass and blaming the dead woman is the theory being pushed with nonexistent facts. Is it too much to ask to get all sides of the story before pointing fingers? Shouldn’t we hear from jonah before calling RZ a liar? Would that not be fair and respectful?

According to the search warrant

Http://ftpcontent.Worldnow.Com/kfmb/…Rant_41290.Pdf

Det. Adkins states he was called to rady by dr. Peterson on june 14, after RZ’s death. Dr. Peterson revealed that there was a pending

Protective services report that was going to be filed by social worker jessica robershaw about max’s accident.

Dr. Peterson, head of ICU trauma, not a neurologist, said that over 4 days of medical testing, no determination could be made on the cause of the cardiac arrest suffered by shacknai.Anoxic tank dr. Peterson claims that he didn’t think the visible injuries, e.G. Large skull fracture, etc., were not consistent with the cardiac arrest and brain swelling MS experienced. For that reason, dr. Peterson felt MS was suffocated before the fall.

Really? Here’s what I have a problem with:

The protective services report had not been filed 4 days after max’s accident

Dr. Peterson did not contact LE about his suspicions until 2 days after RZ’s death

Dr. Peterson reached these conclusions and relayed them to LE w/o agreement from the other doctors/specialists caring for MS.

Dr. Peterson made these claims even though a battery of tests on MS revealed a great deal about the extent of his injuries and prognosis.Anoxic tank

Why was dr. Peterson, 4 days after the accident 2 days after RZ’s death, continuing to promote his suffocation theory, one that would be proven wrong?

Why did dr. Peterson not discuss these concerns or have the social worker file the report w/in a day or 2 after MS’s admission? Why wait until after the person targeted by the child abuse allegations (RZ) was already dead?

Did the other members of MS’s team agree with dr. Peterson’s opinions?

This thread was created to discuss the CPR story/theories. What I find interesting is dina’s focus on whether or not RZ gave max CPR. I understand what lies beneath her focus is the theory that RZ lied. RZ did not lie to the responding officers as it was stated in the EMS no CPR was given prior to arrival.Anoxic tank where the story of CPR begins after the EMS report is basically unknown except for what nina has told us. However, if there was a lie, it did not influence the care max received. Max did not die because CPR was not administered prior to the arrival of EMS. In my opinion, the whole CPR story is only being used to support theories that RZ was a liar. Until and if ever jonah speaks, we do not know what RZ actually said to jonah. It is quite possible it was a mistake in words by jonah or a lie put forth by jonah. It is unfortunate RZ is being fingered as a liar when so little information available to us. In my opinion, jonah’s credibility is just as questionable. Yet it appears jonah gets a free pass and blaming the dead woman is the theory being pushed with nonexistent facts.Anoxic tank is it too much to ask to get all sides of the story before pointing fingers? Shouldn’t we hear from jonah before calling RZ a liar? Would that not be fair and respectful?

BBM. I disagree with you. I think max’s brain death was a direct result of no CPR being performed prior to the arrival of EMT’s. The EMT report notes that they received little information and did not know when the injuries actually occurred.

JMO

I believe the search warrant was sealed because the ME had not finished his report. JS would have received a copy of the search warrant whether sealed or not.

The doctor expressed concerns about descriptions of the incident. Surely you do not believe he thought max suffocated himself?

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During the follow–during my follow-up investigation with dr. Brad peterson, head of the ICU trauma, he informed me that over the course of four days of medical testing, no determination could be made on the cause of cardiac arrest suffered by shacknai.

Based on the description of the incident, surrounding shacknai’s fall, dr. Peterson did not feel the visible injuries were consistent with the cardiac arrest and brain swelling experienced by shacknai. Dr. Peterson expressed concerns made based on the –the above factors, suffocation may have occurred prior to shacknai’s fall.

JMO

RBM – dr. Peterson and det. Adkins never use the words ‘a person’ suffocated max prior to his fall. This leaves dr. Peterson’s words open for interpretation.Anoxic tank there is also nothing in max’s autopsy report that states he had any ligature marks or any evidence of strangulation. And again, neither the doctor nor the detective make mention of whether CPR was performed on max. No CPR prior to arrival was not a concern ever expressed to the detective by dr. Peterson. However, nina expressed in her interview this was a concern asked by max’s doctors. Yet it was not mentioned by dr. Peterson when talking to detective adkins.

RBM – dr. Peterson and det. Adkins never use the words ‘a person’ suffocated max prior to his fall. This leaves dr. Peterson’s words open for interpretation. There is also nothing in max’s autopsy report that states he had any ligature marks or any evidence of strangulation.Anoxic tank and again, neither the doctor nor the detective make mention of whether CPR was performed on max. No CPR prior to arrival was not a concern ever expressed to the detective by dr. Peterson. However, nina expressed in her interview this was a concern asked by max’s doctors. Yet it was not mentioned by dr. Peterson when talking to detective adkins.

Det. Adkins did note that he was trained in criminal investigations, including child abuse. The warrant makes it clear that the doctor did have concerns about the description of the incident he received. Just because something isn’t included in a report does not mean it wasn’t discussed. Please keep in mind LE was told by RZ that the 9-1-1 call was made immediately after max’s fall.Anoxic tank

I don’t believe total brain death occurs in under five minutes.

JMO

This thread was created to discuss the CPR story/theories. What I find interesting is dina’s focus on whether or not RZ gave max CPR. I understand what lies beneath her focus is the theory that RZ lied. RZ did not lie to the responding officers as it was stated in the EMS no CPR was given prior to arrival. Where the story of CPR begins after the EMS report is basically unknown except for what nina has told us. However, if there was a lie, it did not influence the care max received. Max did not die because CPR was not administered prior to the arrival of EMS. In my opinion, the whole CPR story is only being used to support theories that RZ was a liar.Anoxic tank until and if ever jonah speaks, we do not know what RZ actually said to jonah. It is quite possible it was a mistake in words by jonah or a lie put forth by jonah. It is unfortunate RZ is being fingered as a liar when so little information available to us. In my opinion, jonah’s credibility is just as questionable. Yet it appears jonah gets a free pass and blaming the dead woman is the theory being pushed with nonexistent facts. Is it too much to ask to get all sides of the story before pointing fingers? Shouldn’t we hear from jonah before calling RZ a liar? Would that not be fair and respectful?

I agree with most of what you’ve said here. Where we differ, and where I feel I am likely in the minority of posters, is that I suspect rebecca was murdered in an act of violence against both rebecca and JS.Anoxic tank I don’t mean to minimize the fact that RZ lost her life in a brutal manner while JS was not physically harmed at all, but it’s impossible for me to consider the scene of rebecca’s death and the message on the door without considering the intended audience (who I believe to be JS).

I agree that the whole CPR vs. Rescue breaths thing may have transpired like the telephone game. And I agree that the terms used would not have changed the outcome for max. But given the fact that nobody (on this thread, anyway) has validated the previously stated claims that rebecca herself used the term CPR, I think it’s interesting to note NR stated several times that the source of the CPR information was JS. If I seem to be dwelling on this topic, it’s because I feel the message painted on the door was likely a reflection of this conflict.Anoxic tank

All of the above is just my opinion.