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I think the bears in MT/ID/WY are no more or less aggressive than the bears up here. The amount of interaction with humans is quite a bit higher down there than here, though. I also think the lack of food they have available makes them more territorial, and protective/aggressive/angry.

I don’t buy into the "if you hunt them they will be scared of humans," though. I think there is more to it than that. Read any historical accounts of bears and settlers/explorers and you’ll find plenty of stories of people getting chewed up… all while they were being aggressively hunted. Many maulings up here happen in areas where they are hunted. I just don’t believe that taking a couple dozen bears out of a population of 1000+/- is going to make the other bears become scared of humans.


They are quite solitary animals. How does a bear learn that they are "hunted" if they have never seen another bear shot or been shot at themselves? The only ones that "learned" it are dead. I think the amount of maulings has increased in the MT/ID/WY areas so much because the amount of bears has increased along with more humans coming in contact, more so than them not being afraid of people due to hunting.

There are people mauled up here in areas where bears never, or rarely see humans, with very light hunting pressure. But, even high number of people are mauled in areas where they are hunted regularly, and in some instances they are hunted nearly year round. Why? The difference is the amount of people who could make contact with a bear. There was a guy killed by a bear on the edge of town here this spring, and one of the searchers was also mauled. These bears are "hunted." Albeit, on a limited permit basis, but still hunted every spring/fall. There has either been a death or serious mauling on the edge of anchorage every year that I’ve lived here, many years its 2-4 maulings. anoxic event They are hunted to about the same level that they would be hunted in MT/ID/WY.

I do think there is a higher correlation between amount of available food vs aggressive bears and or maulings. There are very few maulings on Kodiak for instance (tons of food there), and I think maybe one fatality in a 100 years. The human/bear encounter rate is fairly high, possibly the highest of anywhere here. Hunting is allowed, but its also highly regulated by management area. Most areas have a total harvest of maybe 1-4 bears a year. Whereas the number of maulings in areas like the Brooks range is more common… in areas where bear populations are quite low, and food is scarce. The amount of hunting pressure is similar to Kodiak, or maybe a bit higher. anoxemia The amount of human interaction is far lower in the Brook though.

I really don’t think there is an easy answer to it. Each encounter is different. ADFG says that 1:100 encounters will result in a mauling, about 10:100 are bluff charges, the rest run away. Basically, there is a 1:10 chance that a bear coming for you, you’r in trouble. Not great odds IMO, nor would I be willing to wait and find out because I don’t have to…

I’ve had one sow/cubs charge us, but stopped short at about 15 yards. Had another bear come charging into camp, stand up, see us (i guess) and run off… at about 5 yards. I’ve spooked 4-5 bears in the brush at close range that ran off. Every bear I’ve seen, that saw me or smelled me ran off, except for one, and he watched us. When on a river fishing, they usually run off into the brush, or just wandered off. They are unpredictable, and I respect that. I think it would be foolish to think that we could prevent attacks by merely hunting them.

I don’t buy into the "if you hunt them they will be scared of humans," though.This is an interesting perspective. hypoxic ischemic brain injury pathophysiology neuropathology and mechanisms IMO there is a difference in the way most animals who are hunted act versus those who live in areas where they are not hunted but I don’t know if that’s true for bears.

I think most would agree that the lack of hunting and amount of human interaction has made the animals in YNP act differently than they typically do outside the park. I assume there are probably areas where bears in Alaska that regularly have photographers following them around and have become comfortable around humans because they are not being hunted.

We also see this in animals like urban deer who are not hunted and seem to be very comfortable in close proximity to people. The lack of hunting has made them pets for some people. Other animals I can think of would be mountain goats who are hunted on such a limited basis that in many areas they are tame. The goats at Mount Rushmroe will let you stand right next to them for example. Sheep and goats licking salt from cars in the region would be another example. Elk in Estes Park seem to act much differently than elk in most other areas, some of which may be due to not being hunted. We also see animal behavior change on opening day due to hunting activity. But those aren’t predators either.

Lions would be the closest thing I could compare to bears and I have seen first hand how different they are in areas where they are not hunted such at NW Nebraska where human interactions are a common occurrence with many being killed near homes. In most of those cases the animal was not attacking but in very close proximity to people and not running away. I believe at last part of this is due to them not being hunted as other parts of the country where I have known people that encountered cats they were almost always running away from the humans which I always assumed was in fear of being shot.

I have no idea if we can ever really know if they develop a sense of being hunted or not… but I’m very skepitical of hunting being a deterrent of maulings. If that was the case, then why are the vast majority of maulings in AK in areas where they are actively hunted, and always have been? IMO you are just as likely to be chewed on in a NP as you are outside one here. The difference with the parks system here, is they aren’t as developed as the ones in the L48, so encounters are much lower. Most have a single road entering/exiting and thats it. Most of our NPs are way bigger than

even Jellystone, and see far fewer people. Denali probably sees in the neighborhood of 1M a year, and there has been maybe one death and a couple maulings that I can remember in the last 10 years? Tourists/hikers are highly regulated and its not a free-for-all like the L48 parks. You get on a bus, and are tracked if you go hiking, and need a permit to do so. Its pretty rare for someone to get mauled in the parks here, mostly because there are so few people venturing out into them off the road.

IMO, I really don’t think bears GaF one way or another about being hunted. There are a number of them that rummage through the garbage near my house, they are in "no hunting" zones and act no differently than bears in areas where they are hunted. Luckily the fish and game take them out from time to time, to the dismay of the bleeding hearts. There was 5 brownies shot within a couple miles of my house this spring/summer.

Until you have been charged by a grizz it is difficult to comprehend how quick they really are. We were floating a river in AK last year and came around a corner on the river where a grizz was claiming a moose carcass. He started his charge at about 75yrds, about the same time we saw the pile of dirt he had used to cover the carcass. anoxic brain injury stories It was raining hard and my rifle was under a tarp and I was on the far side of the boat. I instantly threw the tarp off to grab my rifle and he was in the water coming at us before I could load a shell in the pipe. My buddy on the near side stood up and waved his arms about the same time the guy running the motor had it fired up and moving forward. He probably turned at 15 yards. I assure you, if there would have been a rifle at the ready he would have been taken down. We thought he was coming in the boat for sure…water was maybe a couple feet deep. They are fast, crazy fast.

This is still America, the guys investigating have to prove your guilt, you don’t have to prove your innocence. Who is to say what a reasonable distance is?…I guess that is for 12 of your peers to decide if the govt thinks they have a case. I would rather leave it in their hands than to be carried by 6.